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Should Lawyers Advise Their Meso Clients on Treatment Options? 
~ Some Reactions ~

 

On January 3, 2008 we posted an article discussing whether or not lawyers should advise their mesothelioma clients on available treatment options.  ( Click here for the article. )

Below are some of the responses we’ve received.

From JV on Thursday, January 24, 2008 17:00 PM

This is one of the best "informative" writings I have seen in some time. A lot of my own thoughts!! In May I will have been diagnosed 12 years. Have been thru a lot of pain, meds, $$, etc. Read about what happens to your lawsuit, if you live in CA!! and die before it is settled!! I also noticed a trial with TM (tetrathiomolybate) This would be something I would jump on at this point in my experience with Meso. You might want to check this out! Take some time to read this in full. Some of you new patients out there...this is some really good information compiled in one place for you!!
 

    

From CD on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 AM

I am a wife of a mesothelioma patient.  Many of the things touched on in the ‘duty to advise’ article would have helped us as we fought to get information and struggled to get the best treatment that we could. Click here for more...
 

    

From SJ on Friday, January 11, 2008 17:36:43 PM

I just finished reading Roger's analysis of Mesothelioma. It is the most comprehensive, honest and heartfelt article I have ever read. He has captured the essence of the emotions and decisions a person diagnosed with mesothelioma has to deal with and the lack of reliable information available to us. I am so thankful that when I was searching for answers I found Roger Worthington's website.  Dave and I spent many hours corresponding with Roger searching for the right path to take, we were able to make some sound decisions because of your help.

We just spent our holiday with all of our children and grandchildren, including two little ones that have been born since I was diagnosed in 1999. We have been blessed to have had these years. I am forever grateful to Roger and all his work on our behalf. Thank you all, perhaps someday, because of your hard work a cure will be found.
 

    

From LMT on Friday, January 11, 2008 1:39:23 PM

This is excellent. I am amazed at all the information and data. Had I not searched the Internet and stumbled across your site and had your offices contacted me I don't know where we would have been----you guys were a God Send. I couldn't believe all the information and support you provided--------I also remember that my first phone call from your offices as so incredibly supportive----very long conversation on what to expect, what to do, where to go, who to see...................I was in such a state I had no idea until after several phones call from you and after gathering all the critical data that you provided that you were even a law firm. Who better to know this information than the firm representing patients in the litigation. You knew so much about the disease.

When you first get this diagnosis (Mesothelioma) you think......"What the heck is it?" Never heard of it. Hoag initially just said lung cancer which is bad enough. Since then I have had other people contact me who were recently diagnosed and they felt the same way....."what is this disease and how did I get it".....but most importantly "What do I do". Treatment options are difficult choices to make........one woman that contacted us through your firm emailed several times (her husband) was a physician himself, and she was very torn on what to do........she was informed on her options and I know they immediately started "chemo" which I didn't agree with but didn't say that to her. I don't see the benefit of that without surgery however, I kept in touch and she opted to continue with just chemo and was advised by her team of doctors that she had the "slow growing" type and therefore, they felt they could control it with just chemo. Um........I've heard this theory from some other doctors but not sure I buy it. Dr. Cameron was the guy for us. What he did was remarkable and he was so incredibly talented and so dedicated........My Mom does not regret going with him for one minute and of course, she is doing well. She does have a reoccurrence in the other lung now. Very minute but there. At this point Dr. Cameron did recommend chemo but she has opted not to do that---but she had decided long ago never to undergo chemo. She is still feeling well and is being monitored and the growth is still very tiny. We respect her decision on this----she doesn't want to risk breaking down her immune system which is quite strong.

So, bottom line, this article is amazing. You guys do wonderful work.
 

    

From CD on Tuesday, January 08, 2008 11:29 AM

I just want to send up my appreciation to Roger and anyone else involved in making this report.

Many of the things he said, we had lived by experience.  Many of the things he explained made sense and were answers I had wanted to understand back then (2002).

The panic for knowledge and frustration over the lack of straight talk with detail was tearing me apart.  I wish I’d just known that it was a pursuit to an unknown factor but that my gut instincts were in many cases, accurate.

Thank you for this article for the many who might be able to breathe a bit better by not thinking that the right answer for treatment is absolutely out there if I could only find the right source.

My heart still breaks for anyone who has ever received this diagnosis – or will.  Thank you for all the work that you do for all of us.

    

From PZ on Thursday, January 03, 2008 11:21 PM

Roger,

I've just finished reading your full article.  I commend you on this powerful, much-needed call to action.  You have articulated and substantiated the fundamental obstacles to effective medical decision-making by patients, as well as related ethical issues facing attorneys (and that is not meant to minimize the issues facing treating physicians, either).

I've been through my own shipwreck, and I know that my own lifeboat will never get me home but can only defer the inevitable.  Still, I will never forget that your first words to me, in our first conversation, were to ask who my doctor was.  I was stunned by your attention to my medical treatment, which was clearly ethically and morally motivated, notwithstanding the implications to the potential financial value of my legal case.  The information that you gave me at our first meeting eventually led me to the surgeon who has now treated me twice.  The outcome for me has been nearly 4 years of mostly superb quality of life, and the opportunity to contribute a bit to the world.  I will be forever grateful to you.

Over the past few days, I've attempted to advise yet another newly-diagnosed patient, handing out frustratingly inadequate bits of data in my spare time, and pointing him to other information sources.  Despite the experience and knowledge I've accumulated, which is more than most have, I feel like a poorly trained, volunteer ship's steward who knows that, in the end, it will still be every man for himself.  Your analogy comes to mind, that of putting band-aids on the gash in the hull.

Thus, I note that your article captures a tremendous amount of information that would be useful to patients, and I wonder if you'd think about preparing a modified version aimed at them, instead of at attorneys.  It's a problematic idea, from several standpoints, I know.  But I sense that something like this could be a huge help to newly diagnosed patients - sort of an evacuation manual for abandoning ship.  Of course, the people I advise are typically MPM patients, and the informational problem is, as you know, substantially more difficult for them.

I wish you a successful response from your colleagues.  I'd appreciate hearing how it goes, and if you think there's something I can do to help, just let me know.

I'm sending these comments on to a few others whose opinions and support I value highly.

Best regards

    

From VM on Thursday, January 03, 2008 8:45 PM

I am glad my friend chose to pursue a claim through Roger Worthington’s law firm. To me he seems like one of the few who really does care about his clients. It’s been 26 months now since (my friend) has been diagnosed, she had a consultation with Dr. Cameron in September.  She said she still hasn't heard a decision yet about being a candidate for surgery, but is still doing great.

After reading Roger's article I just wanted to ask is it also normal to take such a long time for a decision to be reached? I can see how doing so well for so long that even if she were a candidate it would be hard to even decide to do it. Keep up the good work though, as hard as it is for me knowing 1 person going through this it must be tough seeing so many people going through it.

    
From SH on Thursday, January 3, 2008 21:27 PM

Hi roger....I just read (skimmed???/) the article on "Lawyers advising......"      Wow!    amazing article.   Good work....and outstanding info.    good job to you and seth........Sandy

    

From MK on Thursday, January 3, 2008 7:10 PM

That is an amazing piece. I will forward it to any newly diagnosed Meso patients should I encounter. It's so unfortunate a few surgeons chose not to participate in your study, I'm sure their input would have been very valuable.

I hope Mr. Worthington is able to update it periodically with new information as it develops. 

    

From CD on Tuesday, January 22, 2008 9:37 AM

“Below is a summary of our medical experience. Many of the things touched on in the ‘duty to advise’ article would have helped us as we fought to get information and struggled to get the best treatment that we could.”

2002

April

My husband has pain in the rib/back area, and after three weeks we go to the doctor and the internist guesses at pleurisy and prescribes anti-inflammatory drugs.

June

Higher level of pain, pulmonologist drains lungs and takes a “wait and see” approach. No doctor is aggressive or actively seeking the cause as she says that “sometimes these things just go away.” However, when the test results are inconclusive, they advise that it could be one of seven things. They list them and they include tuberculosis and cancer. They ask if he is a smoker which he is not and they seem greatly relieved.

Dizziness and nausea set in, and a follow-up x-ray indicates a biopsy should be performed.

A biopsy is done along with talc pleurodesis, which we didn’t request, weren’t told about, and didn’t consent to. The resulting diagnosis is mesothelioma. The doctor recommends an experienced and famous EPP surgeon 1500 miles away for immediate radical surgery, to be performed three weeks at the latest. He strongly advises this method of treatment but notes that it could kill him on the operating table or shortly thereafter, and that it will probably only grant him several extra months of life.

Our search begins to find a treatment that will not kill him. Meanwhile, a family friend who is a legal receptionist is the only person who advises us that mesothelioma is caused only by asbestos and that we should get a lawyer to check into it and seek compensation. We have come to understand that we could lose our home, our savings, our credit, even our jobs and health insurance over having to travel away from home for treatment.

We interview lawyers and request the best medical references they have, the names of living patients we can contact, and anything that can help us decide which way to go. We spend hours on the Internet looking for any remotely plausible solution worldwide, since we have flight benefits as part of my airline employment. We spend hours looking for cancer support and funds to help us manage the costs of leaving town and renting a hotel or apartment in an expensive city. Who will feed the dogs, fill the pool, mow the lawn, calm our daughters in their graduating year of college – or will they have to forego their year’s paid tuition (and maybe diploma) and help us out? We try to get doctors to send us their records or reports on statistics that support their method of treatment. This turns into a shell game, as the doctors refer us to the hospitals and the hospitals say they don’t have such records. No one tells us that there’s never been a randomized clinical trial validating any of the surgical options. No one tells us that the data we’re looking for doesn’t exist.

Our family tasks out jobs/research needed for all phases of treatment, legal representation, home care, cancer support organizations. We make appointments with some of the top meso surgeons on the East Coast and in the South.

The surgeons discuss the staging methods and surgical criteria, which vary greatly, that they use to decide if my husband is a candidate for surgery at all. We had been told previously we were lucky and that we had caught the cancer early, that he is healthy, and that the fact that he’s a nonsmoker is a plus. Now we have to worry if we will ever even have the option of surgery. When I ask one expert in New York which surgeon to trust with his life and protocol, he simply says that we should “go with the surgeon that makes us feel most comfortable.” We are appalled, confused, and frightened. Are the only differences between doctors cosmetic? Are all treatments useless, and it just boils down to who we blindly trust? My husband is getting panic attacks over this choice and says that “ if it weren’t for losing the life insurance for his family, he would almost rather slit his throat than go through this type of potentially debilitating surgery.” My heart aches for him, and for me, and we are scared to death.

One expert is unavailable for an immediate consultation, and another expert has a rude and cold office manager who drives us off with her unfriendliness. So much for feeling comfortable.

We finally get an appointment with one of the top NY surgeons and after discussing it and meeting the testing criteria, we request surgery immediately. The surgeon puts us off due to plans for a three-week vacation. The surgeon says that it’s a “slow growing cancer” and we can “afford to wait; no problem.” Preliminary tests show he is a good surgical candidate.

August

We return to NYC. During the surgeon’s vacation, the tumor has grown considerably and he is no longer a candidate for surgery. The doctor doesn’t understand why we’re shocked and outraged, and is unapologetic about having told us the tumor could wait.

His pain level escalates and we opt for pain management. It is difficult and we are at the hospital for many days. The surgeon refers us to an oncologist for chemo but tells us to try to get out of the hospital for pain management because the tumor is growing and they can’t administer chemo with him being in the hospital. This makes no sense to us, but no one explains. The chemo has no effect on the cancer, and the tumor starts distending the skin on the right side of his back.

We switch chemo, which results immediately in unbearable, excruciating pain. Pain medications are so concentrated as to nearly be toxic and he is hospitalized, but the visible lump from the tumor begins to shrink almost immediately. We’re afraid of the pain for the next treatment the following week. We hate this hospital. The treatment, the unavailability of the nursing staff, the absence of compassion, the mistakes, the cold and clinical approach, the arrogance of the surgeon, and the refusal of the doctors to confer or work with each other make this a horrific, crazy, bad experience.

September

We call one of the surgeons in the South whom we had consulted with earlier. His assistant says that my husband may still be eligible for surgery. We jump on a plane, but first we have to drug him completely out on pain medication because the air pressure causes terrible pain. Unfortunately, surgical tests on the lymph nodes show he is not a candidate. The surgeon has a wonderful manner, is compassionate, capable, and caring. The chief of oncology recommends we go to the Midwest to see an oncologist who specializes in mesothelioma treatment.. He can’t explain why. We ask him if he can find out what the other doctor would recommend and do the treatment where we currently are. We like this hospital and the pain management team, and have no living arrangements in the Midwest. We need expert nerve blocking surgery asap due to the intensifying pain. This hospital has a connected hotel which is an incredible convenience, as we had have to use ambulances and taxis many times in the northeast to get to the hospital for emergency treatment for dehydration, chemo complications, and panic attacks.

The oncologist astounds us by saying he’s “not sure” if he can consult with the oncologist in the Midwest. We’re blown away. How can the same experts in the same field who are recommending each other not automatically agree to help? We have no resources, no research, no relatives, nothing there!

I plead with the oncologist in the Midwest by e-mail to work with the oncologist in the South, and the Midwest doctor agrees. My husband gets admitted for pain management surgery and treatment. We’re told that the area on the side of his chest, under the arm and lower down, has a lot of nerve endings so pain there can be extremely difficult to manage.

October

Our oncologist tells us that he hasn’t been involved with our case because he thought we’d gone to the Midwest. We’re amazed. He reviews the case for a week, gets more x-rays and reports. I request an appointment to discuss experimental therapies. From the beginning, I’m begging to get my husband on the Alimta/Cisplatin trial but because of the talc pleurodesis that we hadn’t been asked about and hadn’t consented to, he was ineligible. He is now very weak and has become delirious from the witch’s brew of chemo, medications, and painkillers. As the whirlwind spins out of control, we are beset by the hungry defense lawyers from the asbestos companies, who are going to depose him at the hospital. The defense lawyers, who bill their clients by the hour, might try to lengthen and make the deposition as brutal as possible. Our attorney threatens them to stop the deposition if they do.

November

The oncologist doesn’t want to discuss other options and doesn’t think there are any. He advises us to go home and get on hospice. He is very cold and is in a rush to get to his next appointment.

My husband is discharged from the hospital. It’s almost impossible to get him in a bed in the back of the station wagon to go home, as he is resisting because he’s delirious and disoriented from disease, pain, and drugs.

The home oncologist recommends a hospice care home program. They give me liquid morphine to use when needed. There’s no IV. He has gotten dehydrated again. His pain has diminished but so have his bodily functions and skin temperature. Hospice says his body is shutting down. He stays pretty uncommunicative.

November 18, 2002

My husband passes away surrounded by me, his step-daughter, sister, and brother-in-law. His two other daughters are en route when he passes away.

From the standpoint of “should lawyers advise their clients about treatment options,” I think this article would be a great one to hand out to the patient and caregiver. It is a difficult thing as the patient and caregiver may be looking to everyone for hope, but if the patient takes this article home, perhaps it can sink in as deeply or as slowly as they or their family can handle it.

I realize there may be many patients who might not be able to take in all of the “duty to advise” article. A summary/introductory page could be used to highlight the most important points.

Roger’s article should be posted and easily found on the web site of any asbestos organization website.

I also feel that all mesothelioma surgeons should be listed, with a reference as to whether or not they responded to the survey. Patients have a need and a right to know.  Back to Top

*** FIRST POSTED JANUARY 8, 2008 ***

 
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